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Patch Debate Illuminates Crucial City Council Race

Debate Illuminates two polar view of Mission Viejo. One view would leads to a wasteland.

The very first Patch.com Debate of Mission Viejo City Council Candidates provided the perfect image of why the city council race is important; it’s an image from the Realism School, done in black and white and not terribly difficult to interpret. For starters there are six people running for two seats, but only four candidates attended and only three participated.

Let’s dispense with Candidate Coleman first. He didn’t attend for the same reason he’s missed the entire campaign. Conflicts with his employment. Those conflicts won’t magically stop if he’s elected. This lack of forethought was painfully evident in two of the four candidates who did attend.

Cathy “Transparency” Schlicht also didn’t attend. She’s never been big on respecting the citizens of Mission Viejo. This year she attended the March Against Drugs only because she’s running for the council. She had her campaign manager and her other volunteer down on the corner of La Paz and Marguerite manically waving her campaign signs. I don’t know about you, but a candidate who would brazenly politicize an event aimed at educating our children about the dangers of drugs leaves the taste of road kill that’s been festering in the sun on a 103 degree day in my mouth.

Candidate Sachs did attend, but didn’t really participate. He introduced himself and then kept checking his watch. At one point he looked at the moderator, pointed to his watch, stood up and left. Clearly, his next appointment was far more important than the citizens of Mission Viejo.

Perhaps he had to run off and raise more money; he is, after all, over $10,000 in debt. That debt made his claims of “I know how to manage a budget…so I’ve got a real good handle on how the city can better manage budgets,” as hard to swallow as that road kill I mentioned above.

For the most part, Sachs just repeated Schlicht’s shopworn and completely false criticisms of the city budget, level of reserves, and yada yada yada. Like Schlicht, Sachs went to the Brad Morton School Of What’s Wrong With Mission Viejo. He has no positive ideas, no fresh complaints, and, to be honest, the room’s mood lightened when he bolted for the door.

The one thing Sachs should have done is tell us why he’s been allegedly violating election law. It was his second chance to come clean and claim it was a simple mistake. He failed to even do that. So much for the transparency he mentioned, in passing.

I do applaud Mr. Desi Kiss for actually participating in the debate. Like Commissioner Bucknum and Mayor Ury, Mr. Kiss showed that he wants to be on the city council, that he respects the citizens of this town, and that he’s willing to do the necessary work.

Unfortunately for Mr. Kiss, he hasn’t transitioned away from the oppressively negative ideas he learned at the Brad Morton School of Lies We Tell About Mission Viejo. Mr. Kiss spent way too much time complaining about things that have been refuted countless times. For example, he talked about the $2 million dog park. Every time a graduate of Brad Morton’s School Of Factual Dishonesty opens his mouth the dog park costs a million more.

The actual estimate for the dog park is between $600,000 and $800,000. The dog park has been on the council’s agenda since 2003 and the estimated cost was caused by stalling tactics on the part of Ladesma, Reavis, and Schlicht, all of whom were Brad Morton’s proxy on the council. The up side, as Mayor Ury pointed out, is that the city now has $9 million that can only be spent on parks and recreation.

The other two candidates, Commissioner Wendy Bucknum and Mayor Frank Ury, spent their time talking about positive things that can be done to enhance an already wonderful place to call home.

Ms. Bucknum talked about using a small portion of the budget surplus through the Community Services Commission in grants to non-profits that help local people in need. And she talked about ways we might increase the green belt in Mission Viejo. Both ideas struck me as positive and innovative; ideas along those lines will surely enhance life for everyone in Mission Viejo.

Mr. Ury talked in specific detail about forming partnership with neighboring cities in order to use modern business practices to improve and expand services while cutting costs. An example would be our animal shelter that provides services to neighboring communities thereby costing our city less to operate. Incorporating smart business practices is clearly where smaller cities need to go to improve and streamline government, because it will preserve the fundamental nature of government rather than subverting it.

Misreading Mayor Ury’s idea as “running the city as a business,” Ed Sachs launched into a doom and gloom tale of laying off people. Mayor Ury was actually talking about government adopting modern business practices. The distinction between the two concepts isn’t subtle or complex. The ideas are polar opposites and clearly illuminate the choice before Mission Viejo voters.

If you want people who talk in terms of destroying services by selling them off to private companies to run, people who don’t really understand the nature of government, and people who only see problems when they look at Mission Viejo, vote for Schlicht, Sachs, or Kiss.

If you want to be represented by people who understand the nature of government, who look at Mission Viejo and see a wonderful place to call home, and who talk in terms of enhancing our city, Vote for Commissioner Wendy Bucknum and Mayor Frank Ury.

The choice is really that black and white. For more information, please visit Protect Mission Viejo.

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Shripathi Kamath October 26, 2012 at 12:47 AM
'Mayor Ury’s idea as “running the city as a business,”' Candidate Ury didn't quite advocated that. What he said was that there are functions of the govt that are better run as a business, and other parts not suited to running it as such. Now, I *know* what he said (yeah, my recall is *that* good), so I'll not spoil the pop quiz Pete "Bob Schieffer" Schelden, who moderated the debate with great aplomb is going to conduct, but I'll say that his answer is a refreshingly intelligent departure from the usual pablum we are fed: "Run it like a business, because common sense." "If X were a CEO of a company, s/he would be fired" is so banal that it ignores the fact that CEOs do not have to work with Cathy Schlichts and Dave Lecknesses and Frank Urys to make a simple decision. They can be autocratic answering to what is often a very consonant board. Yes, a CEO can be fired for bad performance, but they can also reap massive rewards. Whether deserved or not of their rewards, CEOs do not start off at $500 a month, and then get pilloried if they try to change it after 20 years. Yet you will see this absurd parallel being drawn between private business and public govt. With its close cousin "government should be run like a household" I will note though that Meg Whitman who was going to run California "like a business" is running HP. Its stock has plummeted, and she's been fired. Oh wait, she's not.
Desi Kiss October 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM
The OCR also had a different view about what was said during the debate than the PATCH, & Mr. Avery,in the article they published http://www.ocregister.com/news/city-375680-ury-park.html Also see: http://missionviejo.patch.com/articles/four-council-candidates-share-stances-at-forum One must be wondering about the competence of Mr. Ury who compared MV budgets to Peru's! BTW Peru has a GDP of 274 Billion. Comparing City budgets to a country like Peru is grossly misleading and insulting to the voters. It is unfortunate that the Patch, OCR and Mr, Avery have omitted other issues that were covered during the debate, including my proposal for a MV University & a Community College, & other issues covered by all 4 candidates.The estimated budget published by the OCR for the proposed dog park starts at 850K and that does not include the bleachers & the structures that will have a roof cover and any additional equipment as well as the AC pavement and the gravel sub-base required for the parking that comes associated with the proposed dog park. Other Cities have dog parks as well: Irvine spent 50K and Dana Point 10 K. As usual MV has a hidden agenda with this facility called a dog park. As far as Mr. Avery's claim regarding Mr. Brad Morton that is COMPLETELY FALSE. I have never known nor did I ever see or meet Mr. Morton. I wish to thank Mr. Ury, Mr. Sachs & Mrs. Bucknum for participating in the debate, and all candidates the best of luck on November 6, 2012! God bless!
Desi Kiss October 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM
When elected, I will work towards creating an unprecedented level of openness in local government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, forums with public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our community and promote efficiency and effectiveness in the City Council. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their local government is doing. Public engagement enhances the City Council's effectiveness and improves the quality of its decisions. Collaboration actively engages citizens in the work of their local government. In closed local government there is temptation for corruption because there is no over sight and accountability. You deserve the truth, respect and truthful answers and to be able to hold elected officials accountable. Together we can work toward solutions and make our City a better place to live. My fellow Americans, friends, residents and citizens this is my solemn and honest pledge to you. If you believe that we the people deserve a better local government through transparency and public participation and better days ahead, then please cast your vote on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 for DESI J. KISS, Thank you for your support and your vote! God Bless!
Dan Avery October 26, 2012 at 06:15 PM
"Candidate Ury didn't quite advocated that. What he said was that there are functions of the govt that are better run as a business, and other parts not suited to running it as such." Actually, Shri, I didn't say it was Ury's idea to run government like a business. That was Sachs'. Ury understands the nature of government and how it differs from a business. What I said was that Ury, wisely, wants to adopt modern business methods that will fit government in order to streamline it and reduce costs.
Dan Avery October 26, 2012 at 06:22 PM
Mr. Kiss, Clearly, from your comments, you don't understand the difference between a journalistic piece and an opinion piece. The Register's piece was journalism. This piece is opinion. That said, I didn't get facts incorrect. What I said about you was proved again by your comment above. All you have is complaints and negativity. And your complaints have been refuted countless times as baseless. "As far as Mr. Avery's claim regarding Mr. Brad Morton that is COMPLETELY FALSE. I have never known nor did I ever see or meet Mr. Morton." Those two sentences don't flow logically. Just because you claim you have never seen or met Brad Morton doesn't negate the fact that he lies constantly. You even pointed that out in one of your blog pieces on here. And I never claimed that you had met Mr. Morton, or even seen him. What I said is that you parrot his falsehoods. Which you've done again in the comment above. Logic like yours we don't need on the council. Humor and logic like Ury's we do. The Peru quip was a joke Kiss. You're just upset because it was at your expense. And the difference between you lying about the costs of a dog park and the budget of Peru is a matter of degrees. I'm sure you'll have the cost of the dog park up to $5 million by election day.
Dan Avery October 26, 2012 at 06:30 PM
As everyone who has looked at the city's web site knows, we already have an unprecedented level of openness and transparency. This is something you took from the play book Brad Morton gave Schlicht. Let's see if you're willing to practice some transparency, Kiss. Why did you take Dale Tyler to the meeting you had with the city regarding the remodeling of Carl's Jr.? Dale Tyler was behind an unnecessary recall of an elected official 8 months before he was due to run for re-election. That recall cost the city $385,000. A few months later Dale Tyler's Measure D was rejected by the voters 2 to 1. That needless attack on private property rights costs the city $250,000 plus the $40,000 for the lawsuit Council Woman Schlicht filed against the city. Dale Tyler was reprimanded by the Fair Political Practices Commission. Dale Tyler lived here 23 years before getting a California Drivers License. Dale Tyler lived here for 23 years with three cars, only one of which had a valid California Vehicle Registration. Clearly the man is a tax cheat and he violated election laws. Why would you take someone like him to a city meeting? Is that the sort of openness you think we deserve?
Wendy Bucknum October 26, 2012 at 06:38 PM
I appreciate the additional coverage of this important city-wide debate done here. I also want to be very clear that I am running for Ms. Schlicht's seat on the City Council and I was disappointed she was not there to "shine the light of transparency" on the contrasts that exist between her and I to the citizens who took the time to come out and find out about the people they are about to elect. Please be sure to vote for people who have had been involved in your community and show up - whether its a forum such as this or things like the anti-drug walk, volunteering in our schools, volunteering for/attending community events, being a leader in the local business community for years prior to election season. To find out more... www.wendybucknum.com
Desi Kiss October 26, 2012 at 08:41 PM
Mr. Avery even the OCR stated that the " initial" cost of the proposed dog park is 850K. That is the paper that endorsed Ury. Judge Luis Rodriguez determined in a Court of Law that Mr. Ury in 2010 provided false and misleading info. So I'm not wasting my time on such cheap shots. One must be wondering about the competence of Mr. Ury who compared MV budgets to Peru's!!!! BTW Peru has a GDP of approx 274 Billion. Comparing City budgets of a City like MV to those of a country like Peru is grossly misleading and insulting to the voters. It was greatly captured by the OCR reporter. Probably he does not even know where Peru is. If you have problems understanding: initial, total, final, change orders, change in the scope of work, etc then, sorry I can't fix it 4 U. I was wondering what the 8K "latino" voters will have to say about his Peru joke?
Shripathi Kamath October 26, 2012 at 09:20 PM
"So I'm not wasting my time on such cheap shots." Aw shucks! Just when it was getting fun. Please reconsider. "One must be wondering about the competence of Mr. Ury who compared MV budgets to Peru's!!!!" ....wait, this could get interesting. "BTW Peru has a GDP of approx 274 Billion. Comparing City budgets of a City like MV to those of a country like Peru is grossly misleading and insulting to the voters." Huh? Who did that? "It was greatly captured by the OCR reporter." [Runs to 'the OCR' and starts digging for something Greatly Captured ] +++ http://www.ocregister.com/news/city-375680-ury-park.html "If you listen to everybody out there who wants to embellish all the cost overruns in the entire city, you'd probably have overruns that basically are the annual budget of Peru," Ury said. +++ "Probably he does not even know where Peru is." Whew! Good thing you do not take cheap shots, Mr. Kiss. 'I was wondering what the 8K "latino" voters will have to say about his Peru joke?' I am wondering why 8k latino voters are being called 8k "latino" voters.
Desi Kiss October 26, 2012 at 09:36 PM
Mr. Kamath, "latino" in the sense of latin speaking languages. To be more specific and please correct me if I'm wrong, they are: Spanish, French, Portuguese, Romanian, Italian, Latin. These are the 6 basic latin/latino languages. Other romance/latin/latino languages include Aragonese, Aromanian, Arpitan, Asturian, Catalan, Corsican, Emiliano-Romagnolo, Friulan, Galician, Ladino, Leonese, Lombard, Mirandese, Neapolitan, Occitan, Piedmontese, Romansh, Sardinian, Sicilian, Venetian and Walloon. And FYI 8K=8,000. Have a wonderful day!
Dan Avery October 26, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Do we get a lot of Latin speakers around here? I mean besides the Butterfields.
Dan Avery October 26, 2012 at 11:08 PM
Kiss, So you'll come on here to spin more lies about Ury, but NOT to explain why you took Dale Tyler to a meeting with the city? That figures. Your side, aka Morton's Bimbos, talk transparency but never provide any. Thanks for making that point so vividly Kiss. You are really something. What? I'm not sure. But you are something.
Dan Avery October 26, 2012 at 11:27 PM
Look, Kiss, before you embarrass yourself further with Mr. Ury's "Peru" comment, I should explain something to you. It's pretty clear Mr. Ury wasn't speaking literally. He was employing satire as a rhetorical strategy. I happen to know something about Satire because my thesis at UCI was a satirical novel. One of the oldest methods to employ when you're using satire to attack someone who exaggerates is to exaggerate even more. That way the audience knows you're being Ironic and you're calling attention to the absurdity of your opponents argument in a way that sticks in their heads. Clearly Mr. Ury isn't moronic and would never have said that statement seriously. But you not realizing it and making an argument based on your ignorance is actually something that should scare the snot out of every voter in Mission Viejo. I'll talk straight here so you understand. Your comments about Mr. Ury's statement rivals your plans for Saddleback in the "scary stupid" department.
Desi Kiss October 27, 2012 at 12:00 AM
Avery, here is some satire for you. Beyond your usual suspects there are about 8K registered latin speakers in MV, & ? what?, neither those 2 who you're blindly defending will get any. I'm confident that you'll vote for a latin 1st name. To learn more please visit: http://djk4mv.wordpress.com Since you are very good at fuzzy math you'll figure out where the rest of the remaining 42 K of potential votes will go. Have a wonderful weekend & will chat more on 11/07/12. PS: Thx 4 the overseas MV voters who already voted for the right candidate:) Oh almost forgot, please send my regards to Brad, Larry & Co. & 1 more 4 you: can't stop laughing: in 1 e-mail 2day FU "classified" shrubs=infrastructure & it's not a joke., it is in writing.
Susan Sellers October 27, 2012 at 07:23 AM
Please vote for Ury and Bucknum!
Desi Kiss October 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM
From MV voters: Misty Webb via http://www.ocregister.com/news/city-375680-ury-park.html (see comments) Very interesting unfortuately was not aware of this get together seems like alot of residents must not have known w/such a low turn out...not sure who Kiss is but definetly going to check into this cause anyone who can clearly make the statement that the city is too business friendly is right on the money, at this time the businesses in the area get away with sooo much expecially when it comes to disturbing the residences that R located by them, the clear example is the 7/11 story it is exactly what is already going on in the city w/existing businesses, what is needed is stricter regulations, code enforcement on business & keeping in favor of the residents Not the businesses, cause if it is not for the citizens in the area there would be no need for businesses, the city needs to improve on what already exist before doing anything else & there is alot of work to do,, don't get me wrong there is much to love about MV its all the behind the scenes that needs some cleaning; also the University in MV is a grest idea on many levels, many people like myself moved to MV & deal w/the ups & downs here just so our kids could be in the district w/great schools/opportunities & adding a Univ would only heighten the appeal for those wanting to live in the area would hopefully bring back families to the area & maybe then wouldn't have to close down so many schools; Lots to think about :O
Desi Kiss October 28, 2012 at 09:54 PM
While there are others this is one of the reasons why to vote for Desi J. Kiss: please visit http://missionviejo.patch.com/blog_posts/one-of-the-reasons-mission-viejo-voters-should-elect-desi-jkiss-ms-pe-to-the-city-council-on-november-6-2012 to learn more.

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