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Mission Viejo Dentist Orly Taitz: Obama Certificate Should Say "Negro," not "African"

A birth certificate produced by the president is not enough to stop attorney and dentist Orly Taitz of Rancho Santa Margarita from pursuing the question of the president's legitimacy in court.

Following the release of President Barack Obama's birth certificate Wednesday, Mission Viejo dentist and Rancho Santa Margarita resident Orly Taitz says she will continue to ask courts to decide the legitimacy of the president.

Taitz was fined $20,000 by a federal judge in Georgia in 2009 for pressing a lawsuit against Obama's citizenship in that state. After paying the fine, $17,000 of which came from supporters, Taitz will join Monday morning in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in Pasadena for oral arguments.

A phone message left for Taitz this morning by Mission Viejo Patch was not immediately returned. Various news agencies report she is challenging the birth certificate because Obama's father's race is identified as "African" rather than "negro."

"I do have a census from 1960 and the only options are white, Asian or Negro," Taitz was quoted by City News Service as saying. "I know it's not politically correct today, but in 1961 they did not write the race as African -- they would write the race as Negro."

On a radio talk show Wednesday, Taitz said that in the early 1960s, "They did not use the term 'African.' They wrote either black or white or Asian. The word 'African' was not available to them to put down as a race."

She also said the release of the certificate does not settle the issue of Obama's birth country.

“It’s just a computer image that was made from a microfische copy," she said of the released record. "Just like Watergate tapes... what he's released have to be analyzed."

Both the current governor of Hawaii, a democrat, and former Republican Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle have confirmed the validity of the president's birth certificate.

Dan Avery May 02, 2011 at 05:40 PM
Oh yeah, I thought we had laid this all to rest and were getting back to the important stuff like "did we actually land on the moon?" "what really happened in Roswell?" and finding out what happened to "Biggie and Tupac."
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 05:46 PM
Yes Peter, I did not understand it any differently. The POVs are not my point of contention.
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 05:50 PM
No Dan, please do not bring it up. We really, really, really do not want birther nonsense being discussed at the City Council (although I admit that it could lead to some entertainment). Orly is a resident of RSM, but has at least one practice (amongst her various professions) in MV. Here, take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz#Activities
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 05:51 PM
Where's Buzz Aldrin when you really need him? Or at least his fist.
Peter Schelden (Editor) May 02, 2011 at 06:03 PM
Yes, seems she's a dentist with a practice on La Paz Road. Her business has one star on Google's review system--possibly some of these are motivated by politics? http://tinyurl.com/3jvtj7e
Naeok Sadzewicz May 02, 2011 at 07:00 PM
I am from Hawaii, you typically see nationalities on Hawaiian BC's, my daugther's has Japanese mother Polish Father you will see Chinese, White, Caucasion, Filipino, Pakay, Hawaiian, get the point (Orly is a joke)
Julie Flores May 02, 2011 at 07:02 PM
By the way SK, when I say I hope that we can all move on from this I was referring to climate in this country, not to this particular article. Feel free to comment on this article this to your heart's content. It is an interesting story on a local level because this woman lives among us. I would never assume any contributor or any editor on patch should all be of the same mind, how boring that would be. Thanks for the article Pete! Truly.
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 07:22 PM
Perhaps I come off as critical of your motives, Julie, and if I have not done so previously, let me say that I am not blaming you. I duly apologize for causing you discomfort. I was simply bemused as to why Patch would post this topic--actually I have a pretty good idea why--but one of its contributors would not see the intent behind it, or foresee the natural progression. Yes, it is an entertaining topic, especially when we have one of the stars of the birther movement amongst our midst. If we want to move past the climate, it is kinda difficult to do so in the very context of such an article. That was the gist of my point. Discussions like this tend to get heated, and I am sure you folks at Patch will exercise due editorial discretion on when to cut it off if it does not decay naturally. The minor source of irritation that you may have sensed in my comments is that *when* it gets heated, the direction is a maternal warning that chides *both* sides in a discouraging display of false equivalence. The climate in the country has not soured because some of us attack the claims of the birthers with passion. It has soured *because* of people like the birthers, and the birthers getting disproportionate coverage in the media. It is completely understandable why the Patch does it, it is a little frustrating though, that you'd expect the conversation to be any different. I am apathetic to any differences or similarities between your views and Peter's.
bytheway May 02, 2011 at 07:25 PM
Obama admi t ted in a interview that he is a mu slim and t hat he was born in Keny a. Why are you all saying that he was bo r n in the U SA.? I know where I was born, Obama knows where he was bor n and t old you so. Why in the world ar e you saying otherwise? HE i s no t American bo r n. I f the courts say otherwise then they have been pai d handsomely. Or t hreatened
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 07:28 PM
Good, that means I will not have to repeat myself yet again.
Peter Schelden (Editor) May 02, 2011 at 07:29 PM
Hey bytheway, thanks for dropping by and sharing, but I'm a little concerned about your keyboard... might want to have the space bar looked at!
Peter Schelden (Editor) May 02, 2011 at 07:30 PM
And I appreciate your meaningful critique, SK. Someone's got to watch the media watch everyone else.
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 07:30 PM
I suggest you donate handsomely to Orly Taitz's endeavors, bytheway. She and like-minded people like you should pursue this with all your energies. Here: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com
Dan Avery May 02, 2011 at 08:10 PM
Thanks Peter. SK, you clearly have never seen me speak to the council before. At least judging by your comment. And it would seem to me that by your last comment you're asking people to turn a blind eye to racism. That would truly be a mistake. The President and Seth Meyers both crucified "The Donald" the other night and rightly so for his racist rants. If we truly believe the American Way is that all people are equal, then folks like Orly and The Donald are completely un-American as they clearly don't like equality. So are the folks who are anti-gay marriage. If we want equality all must be viewed as the same.
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 08:28 PM
au contraire, monsieur Avery, not only have I seen and heard you orate, I have, on occasion, quite enjoyed the visceral criticism you levy upon one Ms. Schlicht. In fact, I'd contend that not only have I listened to you speak, I can even cite how you reused the same speech you originally penned in one of your marvelous blogs, by simply changing the characters of your dad and some unsavory character to Mr. Ury and Ms. Schlicht. "...the Urys we need more of, the Schlichts, not so much" should jog your neurons. Plagiarizing yourself is something one never forgets :-) What I am saying is that doing so for Orly Taitz is not the same. She's well known for her fusty kookiness, and you'd simply be giving her more undeserving publicity. Now, if you had evidence to tie her to Ms. Schlicht, I'd pop some Reddenbacher's (butter flavor) and settle in. PS. I am the same SK who sullies your blog.
Julie Flores May 02, 2011 at 08:55 PM
Ha, no discomfort here, just wanted to clarify my intent. Let's hope that I am not that thin skinned or I should seek another line of work. You always provide engaging and thoughtful comments, whether I agree with them or not.
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 09:43 PM
Need more than those three options. At the very least "clarifies" and "augments" need to be included, and the fallacy of the excluded middle should be avoided. A2S1 "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." XIV "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside" Yet another discussion of this form of birtherism: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp But back to your question. Here's another article: http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html Of note is 'Whatever might had been the correct understanding of “natural-born citizen” prior to 1866, the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment certainly changes the view because for the first time ... with more than one claim for allegiance.' As an aside, it'll also note that the *primary* author of the citizenship clause was Sen. Jacob M. Howard, not Bingham.
Dan Avery May 02, 2011 at 10:47 PM
SK sorry about that! I was a bit dazed and startled learning that there is a bigger wackadoodle in town than The Schlicht. I didn't think it was possible and it's driven me completely off the rails here. I should have recognized your "voice." But I do respectfully disagree. We have a serious problem with Racism in this country. And we just shrug it off. Obama and Meyers were right in mocking Trump. This dentist should be mocked just as brutally. As should Larry Gilbert who defended Davenport by pointing to a link for a site which had a picture of George Bush's face on a chimps body. Why Gilbert can't draw a distinction between putting a white man's face on a chimp and putting a black man's face is beyond telling. We have for too long given the foolish and stupid ribbons for participation. They now feel empowered to dictate policy and morals. It is time to hold them up to ridicule.
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 11:08 PM
Yes, I do understand *what* you place your stock in, and it certainly isn't the barnyard. What you need to understand is that a Hannity-esque mis-attribution of 'When you say the "correct understanding" has changed' to me instead of the article I cited, is misplaced. (No harm, no foul though). Especially from someone who professes to ascribe to a position uber-birther Orly Taitz does as well but feigns umbrage when I suggest that he make a contribution to her tireless efforts. But if you think that the only way to resolve this non-issue is to take it to the Supreme Court, I renew my appeal to you to contribute monetarily to Orly's crusade. You see, she along with Kreep *is* planning to argue this very non-issue amongst a host of others before the 9th circuit, so perhaps you will reconsider your position. In return, I'll make an additional donation to what I consider a more worthy cause: http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/
LG May 02, 2011 at 11:08 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa big fella! I want everyone to know that Larry Gilbert referenced by Dan Avery, whoever Larry Gilbert may be, IS NOT ME. -LG
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 11:13 PM
"This dentist should be mocked just as brutally" - Dan Avery. I wholeheartedly agree. I differ on the venue, that's all. But given that we aren't going to agree (respectfully or otherwise), I plan on showing up early tonight. Perhaps even get a third row seat for The Dan Avery Hour.
Peter Schelden (Editor) May 02, 2011 at 11:30 PM
Hey Dan, I appreciate your comments. But on this board, please refrain from ad hominem attacks, even against our elected public officials.
Shripathi Kamath May 02, 2011 at 11:49 PM
If you could care less, then you should. And birthers are birthers regardless of their liberal or conservative origins or leanings. The reference to Hannity was clearly not in context of birthers (didn't even mention any of the other commentators), but since you do not care to decipher what you dismissed as rant, I guess you'll never find out. I couldn't care less, so that ends this sub-thread of conversation from my part. Feel free to have the last word.
LG May 02, 2011 at 11:56 PM
Zymurgy!
Dan Avery May 05, 2011 at 05:39 AM
Sorry about that, Pete. Didn't mean to cross the line there on our elected official. And LG, SK is correct the differences between you and the Larry Gilbert I mentioned are blindly obvious. And in my mind I was attacking his idea and not him. Of course, when you do attack an idea it sometimes is like holding up a mirror of the person's character...
LG May 05, 2011 at 05:32 PM
No help. I still have no idea who Larry Gilbert is, nor what comments he has made. No reason for secrecy, I am not blind, as some believe.
ms.sc. May 18, 2011 at 09:50 AM
Wow, what a sick ego SK! You may talk "smart" with dictionary words but you're an 888 or an ***. Why don't you run for president. I bet the results from the polls would humble you. Maybe not, you are that much in love with yourself.
Shripathi Kamath May 18, 2011 at 06:02 PM
Why thank you, but no, I regretfully decline your encouraging support. Because although I have my birth certificate, the constitution rules naturalized citizens to be ineligible. Then there is the greater matter of competence and experience. I lack both of those in ample doses to be POTUS -- no room left when I have that sick ego. It's not like I am an Obama or a Bush who actually had both those things. In spades. So I'll stick to being an 888, and aim higher--to be an 889 perhaps. Incidentally, every poll on the matter that I have seen recommends that people use dictionary words. Ms. SC didn't do so well though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Margaret Brewer May 28, 2011 at 11:06 PM
Obama is not eligible . He was NOT born in Hawaii. The dept of health in Hawaii have helped him by releasing three forged birth certificates. The short form he has legally does not give a place of birth and was obtained upon a mailed in form to the Hawaiian dept of health, can receive it under Sec. 57 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii (in effect in 1961), (without mention of a hospital, doctor, or midwife) signed by one of his parents (who could have been out of the country and presigned a form or whose signature could have been forged by a grandparent) would have been enough to set up a birth record and the short form birth certificate at the Dept of Health. The address on this application is that of his grandparents in Hawaii. Governor Neil Abercrombie has admitted to his close friend Mike Evans, a reporter that there are NO records of Obama's birth in Hawaii. Hospitals in Hawaii have said that he was not born there, but now refuse to answer questions. Obama was actually born at the Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protector of Kenya, Certificate No. 32018, Certified Copy of Registration of Birth, #8732, No. 47,044, District of Mombasa, Margaret, @mabrewer28@gmail.com
Dan Avery May 28, 2011 at 11:38 PM
Well that settles it then.

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