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BLOG: "But my Child Doesn't WANT to Go to Saddleback!"

Community colleges can provide a cheaper path for students who want to eventually graduate from a four-year institution.

"But my daughter doesn't WANT to go the Saddleback!"

Such a familiar quote this time of year.

Here is a typical scenario that we see every year at this time: High-achieving student gets into some great schools, but because the family didn't plan, they find that none of these schools are affordable. So this is the plan...the dangling carrot per se...

It doesn't matter where a student STARTS college—heck, 30% don't return to the same campus as a sophomore. And by the time the average college student gets their degree, they have been to three colleges. What matters is where they graduate.

So if Pepperdine or USC isn't affordable this year, even though the financial aid is not as strong for transfer students, your child can go to IVC or another community college for 1-2 years, build up confidence, general ed course units, and transfer into their dream school and STILL graduate before their peers going to public college.

Also, private colleges have much stronger career advising than the publics, simply as a matter of financial resources available.

To start at Pepperdine now, run out of money, and then have to live home to pay off debt is a lot less desirable than starting at a community college now, working to save up $$, and when you transfer to the school of your dreams, your child will be more mature, focused, and have less debt.

Scott Schmitt May 1, 2012 at 02:40 pm
Our eldest son completed his first two years at Saddleback. He did well, transferred and is now a Junior at Cal Berkeley. This was a great route for all of us. The first two years of college are about the same regardless of where you go. We saved a ton of money allowing us to budget for a possible masters degree after his undergrad studies are complete AND the larger, more prestigious schools are more likely to accept transfer students over true first year freshmen. If the kids are not mature enough and ready for their first two years of school at Community College then there is a very strong chance they won't be ready at a four year school. This could be a very expensive lesson learned the hard way! We have been laying this groundwork plan for his two younger brothers and feel that the earlier they understand this the better.
Scott
Dan Avery May 1, 2012 at 02:43 pm
Great advice, Lawrene! It really doesn't matter where you start. I started at the General College at the University of Minnesota. General College was the model for the community college system. From there I transferred to the College of Liberal Arts and from there I transferred to Macalester College where I received an excellent education. Once a student has a college track record it is much easier to not only be accepted at a "better" school, but to receive financial aid as well. Macalester cost me less to attend than the University of Minnesota.
Smaller, private colleges often have more financial aid money to award. By the way, I had no idea the average student attends three institutions. But it does make sense.
JimL May 1, 2012 at 04:33 pm
I don't think anyone should overlook the fact that Saddleback is simply a great school with lots of programs and courses of study to offer. It should not be thought of as a "fall back" choice or the place where one "settles" on attending. It can and should be thought of as an extraordinarily viable part of an overall plan for higher education. It's a tremendous asset to the families and students of our region.
Lawrene Bottorf May 1, 2012 at 05:19 pm
Congratulations Scott on a job well done. You are correct...as the #1 reason students drop out of college is financial...Some people just play it by ear" and allow their 17 year old to make a HUGE financial decision. Actually, some top tier privates don't take transfer students...(Schools like Stanford, the Ivies, MIT, etc)...as the curriculum is so rigorous that the students need to do the WHOLE program. Even certain departments at Berkeley are like that...but for the most part, you are correct...going to a community college will save a TON of money, and the pro-active and motivated student WILL be one who goes on to finish at a 4 year college.
Lawrene Bottorf May 1, 2012 at 05:22 pm
Don't see many kids from here want to go to the frozen parts of the country...even for amazing schools like Macalester or Carlton. Very generous with need and merit $$, and highly selective...Not on most family's "brand name" list...and it should be!
Dan Avery May 1, 2012 at 07:12 pm
Lawrene,
Macalester and Carlton are amazing schools that consistently rank high among colleges and universities. And they'd be worth the trip. I grew up in the Twin Cities, and my advisor at Macalester, Alvin Greenberg, gave me the best advice when I was apply to graduate programs in English. He said to go where they'd give me money and somewhere that was geographically different from Minnesota. When UCI gave me a full-ride plus teaching, I jumped at the chance. It was also nice that the department was the Number 2 in the country for MFA Fiction Programs. But it was really the amount of financial support and the geographical location that sealed the deal. I pass that along to students. The "frozen" parts of the country are much more conducive to learning. In the Autumn you begin to turn inward. Studying becomes very natural...well...until that first nice day of Spring and then... I think it's the climate that explains why the education and reading levels are much higher in the frozen parts of the country. California only has two zip codes that rank in the top 50 for level of educated people living there. Palo Alto, and the community right next door to it. :)
mhstn May 2, 2012 at 06:29 pm
Best thing my son ever did was to go to saddleba k for 2 yrs. He got all of his general ed done got his gpa up and apllied to APU where he got accepted and aas given scholarships...my Youngest will start their in the fall and it will all repeat! SADDLEBACK is the best deal going right now!

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